Talk:Esus

Esus is currently a Philosophy and religion good article nominee. Nominated by Tenpop421 (talk) at 17:27, 18 March 2025 (UTC)

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Did you know... that the violent end of a bog body might be related to the cult of the Celtic god Esus?

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Sphere of Influence

I doubt "was a god of agriculture, war and commerce" which is a lot to draw from two statues. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by NantonosAedui (talk • contribs) on 19 June 2005.

Agreed. I've slashed and burnt a lot of this article, but it's all so that new green shoots will have a place to grow. Quartier Latin1968

21:44, 2 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Rosmerta

Removed "He was married to Rosmerta." as incorrect (Rosmerta was the female companion of Mercury, in Gaul; there are only two depictions of Esus, neither with Rosmerta. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by NantonosAedui (talk • contribs) on 19 June 2005.

New York City

"He is also an up and coming cultural phenomenon is the United States and can be seen in and around New York City." - Vandalism? -- 8^D BD2412 ^gab 20:29, 2005 Apr 25 (UTC)

That or advertisement. --Tydaj 22:20, 16 May 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Etymology

The etymological origin of the name Jesus is Semitic (ישוע), that of Zeus is Indo-European (*dyeus). I can't think how these names could be etymologically linked. Q·L·1968 ☿ 15:59, 12 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]

It does say this the Esus-Jesus connection was conjured up by Iolo, correct? There' not much logic to that guy's though patterns.--Cúchullain ^t/c 20:59, 12 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Iolo did say it. He may not have been the very first, but I suspect he was, since he was kind of at the cutting edge of Celtic revivalist pseudo-scholarship. The link between Esus and Jesus, although commonly mooted, is specious; still more so is any link between Jesus and Zeus (which I've never even seen mentioned before). Q·L·1968 ☿ 21:37, 16 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Oh, I see what you're saying. But the article doesn't claim there's a link between Jesus and Zeus, does it? Just that Iolo associated Jesus with Esus, and someone else associated Esus with Zeus.--Cúchullain ^t/c 21:56, 16 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Did I misunderstand the intended meaning of "the etymological relationship between the theonyms Zeus and Jesus"? Perhaps the author meant "between Zeus and Esus on the one hand and between Jesus and Esus on the other". Cheers, Q·L·1968 ☿ 20:48, 24 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I was confused as to what we were talking about here. I now see you mean the line you removed. The Esus-Jesus connection is okay to keep as something made up by Iolo, and the Esus-Zeus connection would be okay if (a.) it was a real suggestion and (b.) it was sourced. The further leap between Jesus and Zeus is nonsense, and you were right to remove it.--Cúchullain ^t/c 21:56, 24 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]

There is also in Slavic mythology a god Jesza (spelled Yesha) so with similar name to the Jesus, Esus or Zeus. 176.104.177.152 (talk) 19:25, 6 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Did you know nomination

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The result was: promoted by SL93 talk 20:45, 27 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Esus felling a tree

... that the violent end of a bog body might be related to the cult of the Celtic god Esus (pictured)?

Source: MacKillop, James (2004). "Esus, Hesus". Dictionary of Celtic Mythology (Online ed.). Oxford University Press.

MacKillop, James (2004). "Lindow Man". A Dictionary of Celtic Mythology (Online ed.). Oxford University Press.

- Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Bronx General Post Office
- Comment: Just over 5x expansion from 3108 characters to 16259 characters.

5x expanded by Tenpop421 (talk). Number of QPQs required: 1. Nominator has 7 past nominations.

Tenpop421 (talk) 00:56, 3 January 2025 (UTC).[reply]

Article is eligible, QPQ checks out, and the hook seems interesting. It's citations are used in the article and confirm the hook. No evidence of copyvio. Looks good to me. Generalissima (talk) (it/she) 18:59, 3 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

GA review

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Nominator: Tenpop421 (talk · contribs) 17:27, 18 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Reviewer: Jens Lallensack (talk · contribs) 11:54, 20 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I already made my notes (offline), just need to find time to post them here! --Jens Lallensack (talk) 11:54, 20 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you, I look forward to your comments! Tenpop421 (talk) 14:23, 20 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

General note: I think the article could do with a bit of further work towards WP:MTAU. I read it offline and had trouble to understand some sentences. Because I did it offline, I will also list minor typos here instead of editing myself (my connection is not good), hope that's ok.

"very large number of" – "very" is unnecessary, I don't think you loose anything when removing it

The lead, and I think the article overall, lacks some basic information: Anything about distribution of the god (only in Gaul, or pan-celtic? During what time period is the good attested?

However, D. Ellis Evans points out that the proposed Italic cognate is usually explained by way of an Etruscan root. – No idea what this means

name with PIE *esu- ("good") – What is PIE, why is it capitalized, and which language is it?

Die Komposition in gallischen Personennamen – Delete this, or at least translate ("the composition in Gallic person names")

Bernhard Maier is sceptical that all these names are theophoric. – Theophoric – explain or avoid that term.

offered each of to – can't understand

has been much the subject of much commentary. 2 x "much"

discussed below – Avoid self references per WP:self – I think, please check. There are some other instances.

14-37 CE – this needs a proper ndash, not a hyphen: 14–37 CE

attacks a tree – not sure if "attacks" is the best word here?

and Anne Ross has argued that there was such a significance associated with cranes, as well. – remove comma

as well. de Vries conjectured – upper case needed after dot.

have led Alderik H. Blom and Andreas Hofeneder to scepticism that the god Esus is referenced here – better "to doubt rather than "to scepticism"?

There are only two only – only only

the legend on the Paris monument and the inscription found in 1987 – Sounds as if mentioned already, but I don't remember it was? If not, it should be introduced first.

Nice and interesting work! --Jens Lallensack (talk) 20:27, 22 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]